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Hello, I was just wondering about this upcoming change

"Crit is now clamped to 0 to 100; Dodge is now capped at 100; Negative dodge now acts like positive crit, allowing only a single tier upgrade. This should prevent edge cases where excessively high dodge or high/low crit scores had unintended impacts on the to-hit calculations."

And what effect exactly it'll have on the to-hit? Will it prevent cases like this?



Or is that penalty working as intended? I read the notes as only fixing the cases where crit goes above 100%, so it doesn't seem like it'll fix a case like this.

I'm thinking you are losing 10% crit due to graze?
Or we are talking about something totally different? XD

Shaenix wrote:I'm thinking you are losing 10% crit due to graze?
Or we are talking about something totally different? XD

Oh, yeah that's definitely what I'm talking about. Thanks I didn't understand it.

Shaenix wrote:I'm thinking you are losing 10% crit due to graze?
Or we are talking about something totally different? XD

That's not what the to-hit mod means. You need to hit as a prerequisite to critting, so with 89% chance for a solid hit (99% - 10% graze band) and 90% chance to crit if you hit, your net crit chance is 89% * 90% = 80%.

The 1.2 To-hit changes won't affect this shot because you don't have a negative or >100 crit chance, and your target doesn't have a negative dodge chance.

Manifest wrote:

Shaenix wrote:I'm thinking you are losing 10% crit due to graze?
Or we are talking about something totally different? XD

Oh, yeah that's definitely what I'm talking about. Thanks I didn't understand it.

This may help you.

the upcoming patch will not change anything for the case you presented because
1. you didn't have 100 crit
2. enemy don't have 100 dodge

i think what the patch try to prevent is said you have 150% to crit and you roll a 35 when you have 65 aim(game roll use inverse like during hacking for some reason). and it would graze because it is within the +/-10% graze bran, at current moment it may upgrade twice like a graze hit would now crit, the upcoming patch will make it so that graze will only hit (one upgrade) and never a crit(twice upgrade).

Can anyone explain this: what is the -10% "To Hit" Crit penalty in OP's screenshot?

I've also been wondering this. I'm half assuming that this is a compatibility error between Perfect Information and Long War 2, much like it's still reading Dodge as a direct reduction of hit-chance.

I wouldn't mind some sort of confirmation, tho', as that unexplained crit penalty has been bothering me since I started with LW2.

wobuffet wrote:Can anyone explain this: what is the -10% "To Hit" Crit penalty in OP's screenshot?

Its a math cludge. In XCOM 2 a single roll determines whether or not you hit, crit, graze, or miss. The way this was calculated meant that dodge and crit calculations were based on a percentage of all shots taken.

Such if you had 10% crit, and 20% to-hit while shooting an enemy with 10% dodge you would have a 10% chance to crit them, a 10% chance to graze them, and an 80% chance to miss them. What this means is that low percentage shots are highly likely to crit kill you unless the player had a good amount of dodge.

Rather in Long War 2 the ideal is that if you have an 20% chance to hit, 10% crit, and 10% dodge then the final crit rate should be 10% of 20% = 2%. And similarly the final dodge rate 10% of 20% = 2%.

In order to acheive this with the rolling system that the game uses you would have to apply a penalty to crit (and dodge) equal to -8%.

Exact same thing is happening here. 80% of regular hits will be crits(crit turns regular hit into crit), 80% of grazes will be regular hits(crit turns graze into regular hit), and 1% of crits will be regular hits(dodge turns crit into regular hit).

With the 99% hit rate and a 10% graze band 80% of the 89% shots that fully hit will be a crit =.712%, 1% of crits will be dodged. = .70488. So the 80% crit rate needs to be moved down to 70.488 in order to keep the math right. So you have a -10% to your crit score to account for to-hit calculations.

Goumindong wrote:

wobuffet wrote:Can anyone explain this: what is the -10% "To Hit" Crit penalty in OP's screenshot?

Its a math cludge.

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With the 99% hit rate and a 10% graze band 80% of the 89% shots that fully hit will be a crit =.712%, 1% of crits will be dodged. = .70488. So the 80% crit rate needs to be moved down to 70.488 in order to keep the math right. So you have a -10% to your crit score to account for to-hit calculations.

Thanks for this! That makes sense!