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Psieye wrote:How bad is it to keep swapping out the soldier advisor? I know the swap means you've wasted a day of accruing more "rendezvous mission intel", but do your already-amassed points still work for you?

Phaseless wrote:

Psieye wrote:How bad is it to keep swapping out the soldier advisor? I know the swap means you've wasted a day of accruing more "rendezvous mission intel", but do your already-amassed points still work for you?

Read above, you don't lose Points, but you can't roll for detection without an active Military advisor.

Psieye wrote:

Phaseless wrote:

Psieye wrote:How bad is it to keep swapping out the soldier advisor? I know the swap means you've wasted a day of accruing more "rendezvous mission intel", but do your already-amassed points still work for you?

Read above, you don't lose Points, but you can't roll for detection without an active Military advisor.

You've missed my point. If you change your soldier advisor every day, you accumulate zero points because the new job doesn't do anything until the day changes over.

Psieye wrote:

Phaseless wrote:

Psieye wrote:How bad is it to keep swapping out the soldier advisor? I know the swap means you've wasted a day of accruing more "rendezvous mission intel", but do your already-amassed points still work for you?

Read above, you don't lose Points, but you can't roll for detection without an active Military advisor.

You've missed my point. If you change your soldier advisor every day, you accumulate zero points because the new job doesn't do anything until the day changes over.

Icarus wrote:Faceless
- hinder your rebel's jobs.
- take up a slot for an otherwise contributing rebel.
- make retaliations more likely (IIRC).
.

lumber-chick wrote:

Icarus wrote:Faceless
- hinder your rebel's jobs.
- take up a slot for an otherwise contributing rebel.
- make retaliations more likely (IIRC).
.

What do you mean by "hinder your rebels jobs" exactly?

Phaseless wrote:Now I wonder, do you Keep soldier advisors to catch faceless or do you prefer to use engineers/scientists for more supply/Intel?

Phaseless wrote:

Psieye wrote:

Phaseless wrote:
Read above, you don't lose Points, but you can't roll for detection without an active Military advisor.

You've missed my point. If you change your soldier advisor every day, you accumulate zero points because the new job doesn't do anything until the day changes over.

No, I've understood you. You asked, if the already accumulated Points are lost. And they are not.
If that's not the answer you're looking for, then I misunderstood your question.

Antifringe wrote: 1) Still do work, just like a normal rebels (was not true in early versions of LW, was changed because it was crippling for small havens)

Phaseless wrote:

lumber-chick wrote:

Icarus wrote:Faceless
- hinder your rebel's jobs.
- take up a slot for an otherwise contributing rebel.
- make retaliations more likely (IIRC).
.

What do you mean by "hinder your rebels jobs" exactly?

Rebels doing Tasks (Intel, recruit, etc) are less effective. I believe by 20% per faceless, but not sure about that.
Maybe you have exact numbers, Icarus?

FACELESS_SUPPLY_DRAIN=20f       ; Percent of supplies drained from the monthly supply in this haven per faceless, factoring number of days active.
FACELESS_SUPPLY_DRAIN=20f       ; Percent of supplies drained from the monthly supply in this haven per faceless, factoring number of days active.
JOB_DETECTION_CHANCE_BONUS_PER_FACELESS[0]=5
JOB_DETECTION_CHANCE_BONUS_PER_FACELESS[1]=8
JOB_DETECTION_CHANCE_BONUS_PER_FACELESS[2]=10
JOB_DETECTION_CHANCE_BONUS_PER_FACELESS[3]=10
[LW_Overhaul.LWRebelJobIncomeModifier_LocalFaceless]
PCT_PENALTY_PER_FACELESS[0]=0.03
PCT_PENALTY_PER_FACELESS[1]=0.05
PCT_PENALTY_PER_FACELESS[2]=0.06
PCT_PENALTY_PER_FACELESS[3]=0.07

Antifringe wrote:

Phaseless wrote:Now I wonder, do you Keep soldier advisors to catch faceless or do you prefer to use engineers/scientists for more supply/Intel?

Soldier should be your default advisor. Scientist and engineer advisors are best used in maxed out havens, and even then, only when you have a specific plan.

Soldiers
1) Provide 5 points of recruit income per day
2) Give a 5% bonus to all recruit income earned in that haven, per rank of the advisor
3) Are very good to have when a miniretal hits.
4) Have zero opportunity cost
5) Also, they can find spies

I consider 5) to be the least compelling reason to use soldier advisors, in spite of all of the attention it receives. There is definitely a time when it becomes more important, but for a small haven, the extra recruit income and security is more important.

Faceless infiltrators
1) Still do work, just like a normal rebels (was not true in early versions of LW, was changed because it was crippling for small havens)
2) Give a 5% penalty to Intel and Recruit income (exact number varies by difficulty level)
3) Give a 20% penalty to Supply income
4) Slightly increase the odds of rebels being detected add adding to the retal buckets

Item 4) is probably the least serious issue, since vigilance also increases the odds, and very quickly pushes the detection chance to 100%, spies or not. Item 2) Is tolerable, mostly because of item 1). Killing a spy without having an extra rebel on hand to replace him usually makes your haven weaker. That being said, the long term benefits of getting rid of the spy, plus the short term benefits of getting the rendezvous mission, are probably worth it.

Item 3) is more serious. Never run supplies if you have spies in the haven.

Bear in mind that you will not be able to reliably find spies until you have very high ranked soldiers, preferably with some officer ranks. Psionic soldiers are good too, but I find that even with an early psi focus, they never come online in time to help. For most of the game, you just assign the highest ranked soldiers that you can (and swap them out as needed for missions, of course) and if you find some spies, that's just a nice bonus.

Antifringe wrote:I only run two kinds of supply havens: ones that I know are clean of faceless, and ones that I'm testing. A haven is clean if it recently survived a full retaliation, or if you got a clean bill of health from the monthly review screen while it was active. If I'm considering moving a haven into supply, I'll do a test run to see what happens at the end of the month. If you only test one haven at a time, this works fine. You only end up needing 3-4 supply havens to totally break the supply game, so this process isn't as onerous as it might sound. If you're one of those people that likes to run mixed jobs in all of your havens, then this won't work, but my advice is to not do that

Antifringe wrote:That's not really how it works. There are four retal "buckets" that are filled and emptied separately:

1) The full retal bucket, which is filled by any rebel activity (hiding doesn't count)
2) The recruit retal bucket, which is filled by recruit jobs
3) The intel retal bucket
4) The Supply retal bucket

These buckets are global, so any job being worked at any haven contributes to the same buckets. So, if you have lots of recruiters, your recruit bucket will fill up faster. The distribution doesn't matter.

For the most part, I prefer having all rebels in a haven doing the same job. It makes the advisor bonuses more efficient. Moreover, the all or nothing nature of the intel job means that you generally want to go as hard as possible on intel, or not bother at all. Splitting up your haven between intel and other jobs usually means that find very few missions with actionable timers.